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Colonial Downs
Thursday - August 10, 2023
Simulator Virtual Bets

The betting guide below is intended for casual racing fans
who do not yet have the confidence to override our picks.
★   FOR CASUAL PLAYERS   ★

Wgr Pick Tot Bet Bet  Winning Pay    
Type Numbers Tkts Unit Amt  Numbers Amt Profit ROI

CNL-1   WIN (4/6/1/9) 4 $2.00 $8.00 
    EXA (4/6/1/9)-(4/6/1/9) 12 $1.00 $12.00 
    TRI (4/6/1/9)-(4/6/1/9)-(4/6/1/9) 24 $0.50 $12.00 
    DD (4/6/1/9)-(12/1/5/6) 16 $1.00 $16.00 
    PK3 (4/6/1/9)-(12/1/5/6)-(4/1) 32 $1.00 $32.00 
CNL-2   WIN (12/1/5/6) 4 $2.00 $8.00 
    EXA (12/1/5/6)-(12/1/5/6) 12 $1.00 $12.00 
    TRI (12/1/5/6)-(12/1/5/6)-(12/1/5/6) 24 $0.50 $12.00 
    DD (12/1/5/6)-(4/1) 8 $1.00 $8.00 
    PK3 (12/1/5/6)-(4/1)-(1/5/2/8/9) 40 $1.00 $40.00 
CNL-3   WIN (4/1) 2 $2.00 $4.00 
    EXA (4/1)-(4/1) 2 $1.00 $2.00 
    TRI NO BET 0 $0.50 $0.00 
    DD (4/1)-(1/5/2/8/9) 10 $1.00 $10.00 
    PK3 (4/1)-(1/5/2/8/9)-(5/3/2) 30 $1.00 $30.00 
CNL-4   WIN (1/5/2/8/9) 5 $2.00 $10.00 
    EXA (1/5/2/8/9)-(1/5/2/8/9) 20 $1.00 $20.00 
    TRI (1/5/2/8/9)-(1/5/2/8/9)-(1/5/2/8/9) 60 $0.50 $30.00 
    DD (1/5/2/8/9)-(5/3/2) 15 $1.00 $15.00 
    PK3 (1/5/2/8/9)-(5/3/2)-(2/4/7/6) 60 $1.00 $60.00 
CNL-5   WIN (5/3/2) 3 $2.00 $6.00 
    EXA (5/3/2)-(5/3/2) 6 $1.00 $6.00 
    TRI (5/3/2)-(5/3/2)-(5/3/2) 6 $0.50 $3.00 
    DD (5/3/2)-(2/4/7/6) 12 $1.00 $12.00 
    PK3 (5/3/2)-(2/4/7/6)-(12/10/6/11) 48 $1.00 $48.00 
CNL-6   WIN (2/4/7/6) 4 $2.00 $8.00 
    EXA (2/4/7/6)-(2/4/7/6) 12 $1.00 $12.00 
    TRI (2/4/7/6)-(2/4/7/6)-(2/4/7/6) 24 $0.50 $12.00 
    DD (2/4/7/6)-(12/10/6/11) 16 $1.00 $16.00 
    PK3 (2/4/7/6)-(12/10/6/11)-(13/11/6/1/8) 80 $1.00 $80.00 
CNL-7   WIN (12/10/6/11) 4 $2.00 $8.00 
    EXA (12/10/6/11)-(12/10/6/11) 12 $1.00 $12.00 
    TRI (12/10/6/11)-(12/10/6/11)-(12/10/6/11) 24 $0.50 $12.00 
    DD (12/10/6/11)-(13/11/6/1/8) 20 $1.00 $20.00 
    PK3 (12/10/6/11)-(13/11/6/1/8)-(11/2/7/1/3) 100 $1.00 $100 
CNL-8   WIN (13/11/6/1/8) 5 $2.00 $10.00 
    EXA (13/11/6/1/8)-(13/11/6/1/8) 20 $1.00 $20.00 
    TRI (13/11/6/1/8)-(13/11/6/1/8)-(13/11/6/1/8) 60 $0.50 $30.00 
    DD (13/11/6/1/8)-(11/2/7/1/3) 25 $1.00 $25.00 
CNL-9   WIN (11/2/7/1/3) 5 $2.00 $10.00 
    EXA (11/2/7/1/3)-(11/2/7/1/3) 20 $1.00 $20.00 
    TRI (11/2/7/1/3)-(11/2/7/1/3)-(11/2/7/1/3) 60 $0.50 $30.00 

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The handicapping guide below is intended for experts
who have the required skill set to override our picks.
★   FOR HANDICAPPERS   ★

 
CNL-1   08/10/2023 3960ft DIRT RC4 FAST Maiden Claimer ($40K) Purse ($45K) 2 ALL PT- 1:30
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
SWEET SODDY J         (ginter raymond)ASHTON GAVIN 119 8.00 9% 9.80    
IRON STREETS Aug03         (cascallares)CASIQUE URBARDO 119 10.00    
HONG KONG BOY         (wasiluk peter )GOLIBRZUCH S 119 30.00    
IMPERIALTY Jul27         (munoz carlos)MENESES MARCOS 119 1.80 26% 2.90    
SCR  LOVE IN MAY         (allen fe)SANCHEZ J 119 5.00    
COPPERLITE Jul04         (asmussen )CHEMINAUD VINCENT 119 2.00 20% 3.90    
TIZZY INDY Jul23         (desormeau)HERNANDEZ J 119 30.00    
SEEKER         (morgan carla)JIMENEZ MANNY 119 15.00    
JACK CLOUD         (allen ferri)KARAMANOS A 119 8.00 9% 9.80    
 
CNL-2   08/10/2023 3960ft DIRT RC5 FAST Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($75K) 2 F PT- 2:02
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
THURSDAY GIRL         (delacour arnaud)RUIZ JORGE 119 4.00 25% 3.10    
  (by SPEIGHTSTER out of SOUPER MISS by ALPHABET SOUP)
VARIEGATE Jul13         (munoz ca)VILLALOBOS ISMERIO 119 30.00    
  (by GOLDENCENTS out of ALWAAN by ELUSIVE QUALITY)
CANDY DOLL Jul13         (trombetta)CARRASCO R 119 12.00    
  (by CANDY RIDE out of UN BLESSED by MINESHAFT)
SCR  HIDDEN VASE         (danner k)GALLARDO A 119 6.00    
  (by BUCCHERO out of ELUSIVELY by PIONEEROF THE NILE)
STREETCORNER Jul13         (stidham mi)SANCHEZ J 119 5.00 17% 5.00    
  (by STREET BOSS out of UNOSTRIKE by MACHO UNO)
STILL TEMPER         (stidham michae)CEDENO CAROL 119 10.00 6% 15.00    
  (by ARROGATE out of BELVEDERA by AWESOME AGAIN)
BOSSY BOOTS Jul22         (morgan carla)JIMENEZ MANNY 119 30.00    
  (by LONG RIVER out of BOSS MAMA by STREET BOSS)
SHEILAHS WARCLOUD         (nixon justin)PEREZ XAVIER 119 8.00    
  (by MADEFROMLUCKY out of SKY LANI by SKY MESA)
SCR  FLAGRUNNER         (ginter ra)HERNANDEZ J 119 10.00    
  (by RUNHAPPY out of YIPPEE by PERUVIAN)
SCR  MISSY BOSS         (allen ferri)KARAMANOS A 119 12.00    
  (by HOLY BOSS out of ZEENUT by MINGUN)
SCR  BUZZAWAY         (cooney s)AVILES YAN 119 15.00    
  (by ALDRIN out of BLAZEAWAY by PROUD CITIZEN)
12  EDEN'S GIGI         (russell britt)TOLEDO JEVIAN 119 4.50 26% 2.90    
  (by BLAME out of LA PEQUENA GIGI by SKY MESA)
 
CNL-3   08/10/2023 5610ft DIRT RC7 FAST Claiming ($6.25K) Purse ($25K) 3UP ALL PT- 2:33
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
LIVEFORTHESONG Jun12 May29 Apr22 Mar31 Mar19 (bowersock mari)CASTANON L 125 8.00 18% 4.50    
SCR  SAVVY LAYLA Jul27 May27 Apr22 Apr08 Mar08 (mcgoey m)VILLALOBOS ISMERIO 123 20.00    
SCR  NOBLE CONQUEST Jul13 Jun09 Oct23 Sep17 Aug12 (allen fe)SANCHEZ J 123 3.50    
COMMANDER KEITH Jul01 May05 Apr22 Mar25 Feb15 (lusk r)FUENTES MARIO 125 8.00 40% 1.50    
CLOSER LOOK Jul21 Jun29 Jun04 Jan28 Dec20 (allen ferris)RUIZ JORGE 123 12.00    
SCR  CITY PLAN Jul21 Jul13 Jun16 Jun04 May21 (zook w)AVILES YAN 123 8.00    
SCR  TEMPLET Jul13 Jul04 Jun12 May23 May16 (connelly)GALLARDO A 123 4.00    
SCR  SMILE BRYAN Jul07 May29 May13 Apr08 Mar10 (ryan s)BOYCE FOREST 123 4.50    
SCR  ERIC THE SALESMAN Jul27 Jul15 Jun06 May30 Oct04 (zook w)CARDOSO DAVID 123 20.00    
10  VOLTAMOUR Jul15 Dec05 Nov13 Oct24 Sep18 (mcgoey monic)MENESES MARCOS 123 30.00    
SCR  BACKWOODS BOOGIE Jul21 May07 Apr02 Mar11 Feb02 (eppler e)KARAMANOS A 125 10.00    
SCR  AMERICAN NIGHTMARE Aug02 Jul19 Jul07 Jun20 May30 (santaella)CARRASCO R 123 30.00    
 
CNL-4   08/10/2023 3630ft DIRT RC4 FAST Maiden Claimer ($10K) Purse ($25K) 3UP ALL PT- 3:04
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
STARSTREET Jul14 May06 Mar19 Feb26   (stidham mi)SANCHEZ J 119 2.00 38% 1.60    
GAMING SOUL Jul20 Jul07 Jun10 May24 May11 (garrido ra)URDANETA J 119 8.00 15% 5.60    
XKUZ Jan26 Dec30 Oct19 Oct05 Sep21 (dolan m)ASHTON GAVIN 124 20.00    
HIGHJUMP CHARLIE Jul21 Jun30 May06 Apr22 Apr05 (duffy sean)JIMENEZ MANNY 124 30.00    
CITY HUMOR Jun17 Jun09 May25 Apr30 Apr12 (ochoa ge)GALLARDO A 119 2.50 21% 3.70    
SCR  RUDY S. Jul20 Jul06       (brion keri)CEDENO CAROL 119 20.00    
WATERMELON CRUSH Jul05 Jun21 Jul20 Jun24 Mar27 (dion andrew)FUENTES MARIO 124 20.00    
OUR DARK COURAGE         (wasiluk peter )GOLIBRZUCH S 119 30.00 5% 19.00    
SOUR PATCH GIRL Apr15 Mar28       (cooney s)AVILES YAN 114 20.00 5% 19.00    
SCR  MONCRIEF Jul19 Jul01 Jun01 Sep23   (allen ferris)RUIZ JORGE 119 5.00    
SCR  REAP WHAT YOU SOW Jul08 May21 Apr23     (white alexandr)BOYCE FOREST 124 10.00    
12  HEAVY WEIGHT Jul14 Jun10 May06 May03 Apr22 (cascallares )MENESES MARCOS 124 20.00    
13  RECTANGLE Jul01 May06 Apr19 Mar04 Feb22 (cascallare)ALONSO LUIS 124 30.00    
SCR  DENNIS'S PRIDE Jul16 Jun26 Jun05 May22   (silva pab)CASTANON L 119 15.00    
 
CNL-5   08/10/2023 3630ft TURF RC5 FIRM Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($75K) 3UP M/F PT- 3:37
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
SCR  SPECIAL CAP         (duffy sean)MONTERREY R 119 30.00    
  (by BRETHREN out of SNOOKS FIVE by WHEATON)
RUN AROUND SLEW Aug03 May12 Apr01 Mar10   (cooney s)AVILES YAN 119 5.00 5% 19.00    
  (by PRACTICAL JOKE out of ST. LOUIE SLEW by FLOWER ALLEY)
WISE AND ELEGANT Nov25 Oct28 Oct06 Aug23   (cibelli jane)TOLEDO JEVIAN 119 6.00 8% 11.70    
  (by HARD SPUN out of YOU BETCHA BABE by YES IT'S TRUE)
SCR  SERIOUS MOMENT Jul14 Jan14 Dec29 Dec16 Dec01 (hester leanne)CASTANON L 124 15.00    
  (by GONE CLUBBING out of PERSUASIVE MOMENT by SINFUL PERSUASION)
NINETEENAMENDMENT Jul06 May25       (trombetta mich)ROSADO JOHAN 119 1.50 64% 0.60    
  (by CONSTITUTION out of MAGGER BAGS by INDIAN CHARLIE)
SCR  RULER OF THE NIGHT Jun26 Jun05 May08 Apr25 Sep26 (gutterson)HIRALDO CHRISTIAN 119 10.00    
  (by MIDNIGHT LUTE out of SALT WATER REIGN by SALT LAKE)
HOT BOTTOM GIRL Jul19 Mar03 Jan21 Nov13 Oct14 (kelly bl)GALLARDO A 124 8.00    
  (by BAL A BALI out of LA FLAMME by GIANT'S CAUSEWAY)
CHALICE Oct21 Sep11       (hendriks )CARRASCO R 119 30.00    
  (by KANTHAROS out of D' ORSAY by MEDAGLIA D'ORO)
SILLY LILY Aug02 Jun03 Apr30     (kurtinecz )SANCHEZ J 119 3.00    
  (by STAR GUITAR out of BEAN PEACEFUL by WAR FRONT)
 
CNL-6   08/10/2023 3630ft TURF RC7 FIRM Claiming ($16K) Purse ($34.5K) 3UP ALL PT- 4:10
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
LOVE ME ARCHIE Jul19 Jul07 Apr08 Feb25 Jan15 (kelly blake)TROTMAN KEIMAR 122 30.00    
SELECTO Jul14 Jul01       (nunez ma)GALLARDO A 120 3.00 36% 1.80    
SCR  COSMICALITY Jun10 May29 Sep25 Aug14 Jul28 (allen ferris)RUIZ JORGE 122 5.00    
STORM TRAPPE Jul20 Jun30 May26 Apr21 Jun24 (figgins ollie)KARAMANOS A 122 2.00 27% 2.80    
SCR  CRAZY ODDS Jul14 Jul01 Aug06 Jul26 Jun18 (bentley fennek)ASHTON GAVIN 122 8.00    
SEIZE THE BREEZE Jul20 Jul12 May04 Apr20   (rodriguez ang)CARDOSO DAVID 120 8.00 5% 19.00    
MOSLER SAFE Jan20 Dec29 Dec10 Nov20 Oct29 (trombetta)CARRASCO R 122 6.00 15% 5.80    
ROAD MINISTER Jul22 Jun15 May24 Apr26 Apr08 (chain pearl)ROCCO S 118 30.00    
STEELE MONEY May18 Apr16 Mar03 Dec17 Nov20 (sanchez-salomon )AVILES YAN 118 10.00    
 
CNL-7   08/10/2023 3630ft DIRT RC6 FAST Optional Claiming ($10K) Purse ($30K) 3UP M/F PT- 4:40
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
ADABEL Jul21 May04 Feb09 Jan12 Dec08 (garrido ra)URDANETA J 122 30.00    
ALL ABOUT KATHERN Jul21 Jul03 Jun18 Nov01 Oct19 (tomczak mark)AVILES YAN 122 20.00    
SCR  BEACH HOUSE Jul21 Sep05 Aug22 Aug02 Jul19 (mccutchen jas)JIMENEZ MANNY 122 8.00    
SCR  GOLDEN ISLE Jul21 Apr09 Feb10 Dec10 Nov27 (bowersoc)GALLARDO A 122 6.00    
SCR  LOOPY Aug06 Jul21 Jul03 Jun06 Apr24 (silva pab)CASTANON L 124 4.00    
SPEAK YOUR MIND Jul15 Apr30 Mar11 Feb10 Jan07 (cooney susan )TOLEDO JEVIAN 122 12.00 15% 5.50    
AWESOME APEAL Jul21 Jun26 Jun05 May18 Apr28 (rodriguez ang)CARDOSO DAVID 122 30.00    
SCR  MICHEAUX Jul14 Jun17 May18 Apr01 Jan18 (clement p)ACOSTA D 124 20.00    
SCR  AMAAZA Jun15 May23 Apr30 Apr11 Mar04 (silva p)MENESES MARCOS 122 20.00    
10  LILLY SIMONE Jul21 Jun23 Jun16 Apr20 Feb15 (magana j)MONTERREY R 122 5.00 25% 3.10    
11  ONE NIGHT STAND Jun28 Jun03 Apr21 Apr14 Apr01 (mcgoey m)VILLALOBOS ISMERIO 122 10.00 9% 10.70    
12  DULCE KIARA Jul21 Jul01 Jun24 Jun04 May18 (demario charl)KARAMANOS A 124 2.50 25% 3.00    
 
CNL-8   08/10/2023 3630ft TURF RC6 FIRM Optional Claiming ($25K) Purse ($40K) 3UP ALL PT- 5:08
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
BOSS IS A PAL Jul09 Jun11 May29 Oct21 Sep25 (stettinius suzan)CRUZ ANGEL 124 8.00 5% 19.00    
SCR  MY BOY BLUE Jul20 May28 Apr30 Mar26 Feb23 (kurtinecz)CARRASCO R 122 12.00    
KINGPIN Jun23 Aug17 Jun29 May22   (stidham mi)SANCHEZ J 122 5.00    
SCR  GREAT BRITAIN Jul01 May29 May05 Apr08 Mar18 (bowersock mari)ROCCO S 122 6.00    
VALIANT VINNY Jul09 May29 Dec31 Dec03 Aug31 (nuesch patric)TOLEDO JEVIAN 122 15.00    
SAN COSTANTINO Jun26 Apr22 Apr01 Mar15 Mar05 (bowersock mari)CASTANON L 122 15.00 5% 19.00    
CASANOVA KITTEN Jul21 Jul03 Jun17 Jun01 May16 (ginter ra)HERNANDEZ J 122 15.00    
BY THE SEY SHORE Jul09 Jun09 Nov04 Aug29 Aug15 (trombetta mic)KARAMANOS A 122 8.00 5% 19.00    
SCR  PERUVIAN LUCKY Jul21 Jun15 May20 Apr01 Mar17 (correas i)CHEMINAUD VINCENT 124 10.00    
10  THATSAFACTJACK May27 Apr23 Feb22 Jan20 Dec03 (cahill steven )GOLIBRZUCH S 122 20.00    
11  REBEL POSSE Jul21 Jun24 May29 Apr23 Feb19 (stidham )GALLARDO A 122 2.50 29% 2.40    
SCR  E J'S REVENGE Jul13 May29 Apr29 Mar31 Feb11 (murtaugh an)MCKENZIE CONNIE 115 30.00    
13  BOAT'S A ROCKIN Jun20 May22 Apr13 Oct09 Sep24 (kulp l)CONNER TYLER 122 4.00 44% 1.30    
SCR  SLIPPIN JIMMY Jul22 May25 Sep23 Sep07 Jul20 (mccutchen jas)JIMENEZ MANNY 122 30.00    
 
CNL-9   08/10/2023 5940ft TURF RC4 FIRM Maiden Claimer ($10K) Purse ($25K) 3UP ALL PT- 5:37
Try it:   Click any label below to view the performance of a Thoroughbred on the indicated date.
  Past Performances   M/L W/P B/E F/O
SYNCOPATED Jul07 Jun18 Jun03 Nov07 Oct08 (hodsdon danie)KARAMANOS A 124 10.00 5% 19.00    
ENSIGN SKIP Jul20 Jun25 May27 Apr29 Apr06 (cazares laur)MENESES MARCOS 118 6.00 24% 3.20    
FOREVER SAUCY Jul20 Jun24 May31 May06 Apr30 (ochoa ge)VILLALOBOS ISMERIO 118 30.00 5% 19.00    
BOURBON STRAIT Sep07         (kingsley archi)GOLIBRZUCH S 118 20.00    
JEALOUS RED May26 Mar16 Jan19 Dec13   (nunez maurici)FUENTES MARIO 124 15.00    
WILL'S MUSIC Jul23 Jul08 Jun09 May04   (allen ferris)RUIZ JORGE 118 15.00    
FROG PRINCE Jul23 Jun23 Jun01 Nov27 Nov05 (stettinius suzan)CRUZ ANGEL 124 6.00 11% 8.40    
DOLLARS N SENSE Dec11 Oct09       (stettinius )LYAPUSTINA TAIS 118 15.00    
SCHMEAR Jul13 Jun16 May29 May14 Oct23 (tomlinson mich)ROCCO S 118 3.50    
SCR  FLEETS BAY Jul20 Jul13 Jun24 May27   (boniface k)SANCHEZ J 118 4.50    
11  GIANTSBANE Aug02 Jul09 Jun17 Oct09 Aug19 (nagle sarah)TOLEDO JEVIAN 124 5.00 44% 1.30    
SCR  BIG BOULDER Jul03 Jun04 May19     (danner ke)HERNANDEZ J 124 20.00    
SCR  D'ARPINO B C Jul07 Nov11       (neilson kathy)ASHTON GAVIN 118 30.00    
 

 
  Labels:
  M/L

Morning Line. This is an indirect measure of the Win Probability of this entry as estimated by the Club Handicapper.

  W/P

Win Probability. This is the centerpiece of our technology that separates Thoroughbred Racing Simulator from other selection services. It is the probability that this entry will win the race, as calculated from the outcomes of simulations of the race. Use this to validate and augment your own handicapping.

  B/E

Break-Even Odds. This figure is approximated from the Win Probability. It is the minimum Win odds that should be accepted to make the entry a worthwhile Win bet. Disregard this figure for exotic bets, as the Win Probability in such bets depends on the compounded Win Probabilities of all the entries in the bet.

  F/O

Final Odds. Live track Win odds against which the B/E should eventually be compared to for Win bets.

 
  Two Groups of Contenders:
  Win Contenders
 

The entries in the first group are printed in bold. These are Win contenders and, by extension, also Place/Show contenders.

  Place/Show Contenders
 

The entries in the second group have a star under their (W/P) column. The Simulator estimates that these entries have generally low chances of winning, although some of them might actually be strong Win contenders but are disqualified from the first group because of their low expected Payout-On-Investment (POI). Whichever the case, these are good Place/Show contenders for exotic bets. Also, these entries may be promoted to replace scratched entries in the first group.

 
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