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The Longshot Hunter!

Del Mar
Sunday - July 28, 2024
Simulator Virtual Bet Results

Wgr Pick Tot Bet Bet  Winning Pay    
Type Numbers Tkts Unit Amt  Numbers Amt Profit ROI

DMR-5   WIN (3/8/6/11) 4 $2.00 $8.00  11 $12.20 $4.20 53%
DMR-6   DD (3/8/6/11)-(7/6/10/3) 16 $2.00 $32.00  11-7 $43.80 $11.80 37%
DMR-11   EXA (9/5/6/11)-(9/5/6/2/11) 16 $1.00 $16.00  9-11 $50.40 $34.40 215%

Simulator Race results

 
DMR-1   07/28/2024 5280ft DIRT RC7 FAST Claiming ($16K) Purse ($31K) 3UP M/F PT- 5:00
See original race card.
:233 :474 1:123 1:254   1:391   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
DREAM PRINCESS 2 2 1½ 1½ 1nk 1½ 1 (knapp steve)CEDILLO ABEL 121 4.50 2.80  
FLATTERWITHJEWELS 1 3 3 3½ 2nk 31 2 (damato phili)KIMURA KAZUSHI 121 3.00 25% 3.00 1.60 P
COUNCILWOMAN JILLY 3 1 2½ 2½ 33 2½ 3 (hobson simon)LAFAYE CAMILLE 112 12.00 5% 19.00 19.10 S
DRAMATIZER 5 4 5 54 45 42 48 (lopez l)FREY KYLE 121 3.00 2.70  
PERSUASIVE LIPS 4 5 4 4 5 57 524 (sherman steve)TALAMO JOSEPH 121 2.50 43% 1.30 3.10  
SCR  MYFAVORITEDAUGHTER               (cerin vladimi)AYUSO ARMANDO 121 3.50    
 
DMR-2   07/28/2024 3300ft TURF RC5 FIRM Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($75K) 3UP ALL PT- 5:32
See original race card.
:223 :454       :571   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
11  CHROMEFLASH 9 6 4 53   41 12 (capestro p)GONZALEZ RICARDO 120 3.50 11.40  
  (by DANZING CANDY out of SILVER SCORE by EVEN THE SCORE)
DESERT ROCKET 5 8 76 7   62 22 (callaghan s)HERRERA A 124 30.00 8.40  
  (by GRAZEN out of DESERT STEEL by DESERT CODE)
10  CAPITAL OUTLAY 8 2 22 21   2½ 3 (miller pet)HERNANDEZ J 120 4.50 26% 2.90 3.20 S
  (by MARKING out of GATOR PROWL by ROAR OF THE TIGER)
DON'T HIT ME BASH 2 5 54 4   5 4 (freeman edw)GUTIERREZ MARIO 120 12.00 8.30  
  (by MRAZEK out of OCTOGARIAN by ROCK HARD TEN)
13  WESTERN GRIT 10 1 12 11   1½ 5 (hanson ryan)ESCOBEDO ADRIAN 120 15.00 5% 19.00 25.10  
  (by DADS CAPS out of SHERIKA by FUSAICHI PEGASUS)
NO MORE DING DONGS 1 3 3 3   31 6 (mccarthy sean)TALAMO JOSEPH 120 5.00 45% 1.20 2.20  
  (by IDIOT PROOF out of NO MORE TWINKIES by JET WEST)
BILLBERNJOEJOHNICK 7 4 6 6   74 76 (mullins jeff)MALDONADO E 124 6.00 4.10  
  (by BOAT TRIP out of REMEMBERING EILEEN by BERTRANDO)
MISS JO'S CURLIN 6 10 10 10   109 8 (galvin w)ESPINOZA V 120 5.00 5% 19.00 23.30  
  (by CURLIN TO MISCHIEF out of MISS JO'S COMMAND by FOREST COMMAND)
SHARP WONDER 4 7 97 9   87 9 (hernandez san)VALDIVIA JR 120 30.00 5% 19.00 53.40  
  (by SHARP AZTECA out of UNKNOWN by UNKNOWN)
HANK WILLIAMS 3 9 8 8   9 1011 (damato phili)KIMURA KAZUSHI 120 15.00 17.10  
  (by SIR PRANCEALOT out of WIND N WAVES by STORMY ATLANTIC)
SCR  AFTERNOON NAP               (gaines carla)FRESU ANTONIO 124 3.00    
  (by PRACTICAL JOKE out of JULIE NAPP by CURLIN)
SCR  BART SIP SOME               ( )TBA null      
  (by STAY THIRSTY out of SALLY SIMPSON by MINESHAFT)
SCR  MAKE IT A LARGE               (koriner brian)CEDILLO ABEL 120 6.00    
  (by BRONZE STAR out of WILMA S by JULY CHILD)
SCR  OMNIFICENT               (garcia franci)AYUSO ARMANDO 120 20.00    
  (by OM out of SPEEDY SHIMMER by ROCKY BAR)
 
DMR-3   07/28/2024 3630ft DIRT RC5 FAST Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($75K) 2 ALL PT- 6:04
See original race card.
:22 :45 :571     1:04   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
MCKINZIE STREET 5 3 11 11   1 1 (yakteen tim)KIMURA KAZUSHI 120 3.00 4.20  
  (by MCKINZIE out of KARPATHOS by TALE OF THE CAT)
EMERALD BAY 6 1 21 21   2 2 (baffert bo)HERNANDEZ J 120 0.80 37% 1.70 0.40 P
  (by NYQUIST out of ROMANTIC VISION by LEMON DROP KID)
CURVINO 3 4 33 35   3 3 (miller pete)GUTIERREZ REYLU 120 8.00 31% 2.20 10.60 S
  (by VINO ROSSO out of QUEENIE'S PRIDE by SPECIAL RATE)
UNCLE DUDE 2 2 55 56   4 49 (damato philip)FRESU ANTONIO 120 4.00 6.60  
  (by VOLATILE out of SUPER ALLISON by SUPER SAVER)
B GRAYSON 4 5 4 45   510½ 512½ (brinkerhoff val)FREY KYLE 120 15.00 24.50  
  (by GAME WINNER out of CATTICUS by ATTICUS)
CANO FOR THE WIN 1 6 67 6   613½ 613 (o'neill doug)MALDONADO E 120 10.00 5% 19.00 14.50  
  (by OMAHA BEACH out of MALIBU JUNE by MALIBU MOON)
 
DMR-4   07/28/2024 5280ft DIRT RC3 FAST Alw Opt Clm ($80K) Purse ($78K) 3UP ALL PT- 6:36
See original race card.
:223 :463 1:111 1:232   1:362   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
PARENTING 4 2 1½ 1nk 2nk 11 1¼ (baffert bo)HERNANDEZ J 118 0.80 44% 1.30 0.40 W
HERO STATUS 5 1 2½ 3 31 3 2¼ (glatt mark)SMITH E 123 10.00 8.40  
ARROWTHEGREAT 1 4 3 2nk 1nk 21 3 (blacker daniel)ESPINOZA V 121 15.00 5% 19.00 11.90 S
ULTIMATE GAMBLE 3 5 53 5 44 4 47 (glatt mark)FRESU ANTONIO 123 1.60 34% 1.90 2.60  
REDLINE 2 3 42 42 5 58 514¼ (dollase craig)MALDONADO E 121 20.00 26.30  
SCR  COWBOY MIKE               (baffert bob)KIMURA KAZUSHI 121 8.00    
 
DMR-5   07/28/2024 3300ft TURF RC7 FIRM Claiming ($32K) Purse ($47K) 3UP ALL PT- 7:08
See original race card.
:221 :444       :564   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
11  CODE DUELLO 9 2 2½ 2nk   11 1¼ (dollase cra)RISPOLI UMBERTO 120 12.00 5% 19.00 5.10 W
HOT BOX 3 4 32 31   31 2¼ (koriner brian)CEDILLO ABEL 120 5.00 12.40  
GIVE ME THE LUTE 6 3 42 4   21 3¼ (papaprodromou geo)FREY KYLE 120 6.00 23% 3.40 3.20 S
TIME TO PARTY 1 5 8 6   5 4 (bainum kelly)AYUSO ARMANDO 118 20.00 13.50  
HELLADIC 2 1 1½ 1nk   4 5 (hanson r)ELLINGWOOD A 120 15.00 5.90  
COMMANDER (FR) 4 9 9 8   7 6 (palma hector )PEREIRA TIAGO 120 10.00 9% 9.70 12.60  
JOHNNY DRAMA 5 8 6 5   6 7 (knapp steve)GUTIERREZ MARIO 120 20.00 20.40  
10  JETOVATOR 8 7 5 7   8 84 (eurton peter)MALDONADO E 120 3.50 8.10  
13  WHATMAKESSAMMYRUN 10 10 10 107   9 9 (glatt mark)FRESU ANTONIO 120 5.00 3.00  
AWESOME RHYTHM 7 6 7 9   10 109 (garcia victor)TALAMO JOSEPH 122 15.00 37.60  
SCR  KERRY GOLD               ( )TBA null      
SCR  MAMBA ON THREE               (wilensky s)HERNANDEZ J 120 2.50 41% 1.50    
SCR  MYNUMEROUNO (AUS)               ( )TBA null      
SCR  TOOK CHARGE               (valenzuela ma)PEREIRA TIAGO 120 20.00    
 
DMR-6   07/28/2024 4290ft DIRT RC7 FAST Claiming ($12.5K) Purse ($27K) 3UP M/F PT- 7:38
See original race card.
:221 :453 1:123     1:194   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
DANZING CAT 7 9 1½ 1   14 1½ (miller pete)GUTIERREZ REYLU 124 4.00 48% 1.10 2.40 W
SABRES 1 7 6 7   5 2½ (morfin sergio)PAYERAS EDGAR 120 10.00 8.80  
RESPECT THE CROWN 5 2 4 2   34 35 (mullins jeff)PEREIRA TIAGO 120 5.00 5.30  
NORAH'S PRINCESS 9 6 53 4   4 45 (lewis a)AYUSO ARMANDO 124 8.00 8.90  
SAPADILLA 3 1 3½ 32   24 5 (papaprodromo)LAPRIDA JEREMY 124 20.00 5% 19.00 57.60  
BIG HOPES 6 5 9 8   7 6 (sadler w)CEDILLO ABEL 124 3.50 16% 5.30 12.00  
DISCREPANCY 8 10 7 54   6 79 (yakteen tim)HERRERA A 120 6.00 3.70  
10  ACCLAIMED PREACHER 10 4 8 98   910¾ 8 (mathis andy)KIMURA KAZUSHI 120 10.00 12% 7.30 10.10  
ILA VEIW TOO 2 8 10 10   8 910 (belvoir va)ORANTES R 117 20.00 34.70  
SILVER LIGHTENING 4 3 2½ 64   1012¾ 1022¾ (o'neill doug)FRESU ANTONIO 124 6.00 7.60  
 
DMR-7   07/28/2024 5280ft TURF RC5 FIRM Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($75K) 3UP ALL PT- 8:08
See original race card.
:223 :464 1:113 1:234   1:353   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
10  STYLISHLYACCLAIMED 10 2 42 42 42 21 1 (gaines carla)FRESU ANTONIO 125 3.50 5.50  
  (by ACCLAMATION out of ELEGANTLY by DESERT SECRET (IRE))
GLORIOUS LIFE 4 1 11 1½ 11 11 2 (gaines carl)RISPOLI UMBERTO 125 4.00 45% 1.20 1.30 P
  (by VRONSKY out of GLORIOUS LUCK by LUCKY J. H.)
BLAME THE CLASSIC 3 5 32 32 32 4 3 (galvin w)ESPINOZA V 120 20.00 55.40  
  (by CLASSIC EMPIRE out of BLAME HENNY by BLAME)
VODKA VODKA 9 3 21 2½ 21 32 4 (ordonez aggie)VALDIVIA JR 120 6.00 5.60  
  (by STAY THIRSTY out of MARGIE'S MINUTE by HARD SPUN)
FIGHT BACK 7 8 6 6 53 5 5 (callaghan s)GUTIERREZ MARIO 120 8.00 4.10  
  (by MRAZEK out of WALKINGONADREAM by TAPIT)
WAR SWIFT 6 6 7 74 7 66 6 (papaprodrom)HERRERA A 120 15.00 49.50  
  (by CLUBHOUSE RIDE out of ARETHUSA by A.P. INDY)
11  VOLS 11 9 8 8 8 76 78 (papaprodromo)KIMURA KAZUSHI 120 20.00 27.30  
  (by LAKERVILLE out of WEST MID by WESTERN FAME)
WASTING ACES 2 7 9 9 10 8 8 (koriner brian)PEREIRA TIAGO 120 20.00 29.10  
  (by TOM'S TRIBUTE out of BIRTHDAY SURPRISE by HENRYTHENAVIGATOR)
RAZEN THE STAKES 1 10 11 11 11 10 99 (saavedra a)GONZALEZ RICARDO 125 15.00 47.30  
  (by GRAZEN out of MARGIE BLACKJACK by STORMY JACK)
BRUISER 5 12 12 12 12 1210¼ 1011¼ (glatt mark)CEDILLO ABEL 120 15.00 32.70  
  (by MR. BIG out of PERCHED by INTO MISCHIEF)
RATLEFF 8 11 10 10 9 11 1112½ (mendez luis)MALDONADO E 120 15.00 5% 19.00 38.50  
  (by RICHARD'S KID out of KISS AT MIDNIGHT by DECARCHY)
12  HIGHPLAINSDRIFTER 12 4 53 53 6 9 1213¾ (garcia franc)DESORMEAUX J 125 6.00 31% 2.20 11.00  
  (by MR. BIG out of HOT N' DUSTY by UNUSUAL HEAT)
SCR  INVESTALOT               (hanson ryan)TALAMO JOSEPH 120 20.00    
  (by UNKNOWN out of SOME EXCESS by IN EXCESS (IRE))
SCR  IT'S MY WORLD               (powell leona)LAPRIDA JEREMY 120 10.00    
  (by SIR PRANCEALOT out of SWEET BOSS by STREET BOSS)
 
DMR-8   07/28/2024 5280ft DIRT RC4 FAST Maiden Claimer ($40K) Purse ($33K) 3UP ALL PT- 8:38
See original race card.
:221 :463 1:122 1:254   1:391   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
SHOT OF COURAGE 3 1 32 5 1nk 12 1 (papaprodromo)KIMURA KAZUSHI 120 5.00 9.50  
DADDY JUSTIFY 1 3 45 62 4 43 2 (eurton peter)MALDONADO E 120 4.50 6.50  
MONGOLIAN CHAMP 6 6 56 3½ 3 33 36 (ganbat ene)ORANTES R 113 15.00 8% 11.10 6.00 S
PALAGIO 9 7 66 1nk 2nk 22 4 (aguirre paul)AYUSO ARMANDO 125 3.00 57% 0.80 3.80  
ARROMAX 5 10 7 7 6 58 512¾ (glatt mark)CEDILLO ABEL 125 10.00 5% 19.00 2.60  
SUPREME COAST 8 9 9 8 75 6 616¼ (garcia fra)HERNANDEZ J 120 30.00 24.80  
ALOHA CHROME 2 8 1010 108 912½ 813¾ 719½ (yakteen tim)HERRERA A 125 8.00 8.60  
FLYING BLIND 7 4 88 96 89 712¼ 820¾ (mccarthy sean)TALAMO JOSEPH 120 10.00 10% 8.70 28.50  
10  STREET TALKER 10 2 2½ 2nk 54 916¾ 937¾ (hanson ryan)ALSAGOOR ABDUL 120 12.00 19.20  
LE MANS 4 5 1½ 41 1032½ 10100 10100 (yakteen tim)FRESU ANTONIO 120 4.00 8.20  
 
DMR-9   07/28/2024 5940ft TURF RC13 FIRM Eddie Read Purse ($250K) 3UP ALL PT- 9:08
See original race card.
:242 :483 1:124 1:363   1:474   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
JOHANNES 9 3 21 22 21 1 1 (yakteen tim)RISPOLI UMBERTO 125 2.00 51% 1.00 1.10 W
  (by NYQUIST out of CUYATHY by CONGRATS)
DICEY MO CHARA (GB) 6 2 53 5 6 6 2 (powell leona)LAPRIDA JEREMY 121 20.00 76.10  
  (by ADAAY out of LEONICA by LION CAVERN)
BALNIKHOV (IRE) 5 8 99 9 9 8 33 (damato phili)KIMURA KAZUSHI 121 12.00 5% 19.00 14.80 S
  (by ADAAY out of LEEWARD by FIRST DEFENCE)
MASTER PIECE (CHI) 2 7 64 65 42 4 4 (dutrow richard )DAVIS DYLAN 123 8.00 5% 19.00 4.90  
  (by MASTERCRAFTSMAN out of TORRE LAGUNA by PROUD CITIZEN)
EASTER (FR) 4 9 86 8 8 9 5 (damato philip)FRESU ANTONIO 121 4.00 6.50  
  (by EXOSPHERE out of EXCELLENT GIRL by EXCEED AND EXCEL (AUS))
DU JOUR 7 4 32 33 3 3 64 (baffert bo)HERNANDEZ J 125 2.50 16% 5.10 4.20  
  (by TEMPLE CITY out of GUILTLESS by BERNARDINI)
GOLD PHOENIX (IRE) 3 5 75 7 74 7 7 (damato philip)FREY KYLE 123 6.00 5% 19.00 11.60  
  (by BELARDO out of MAGNIFICA by MOUNTAIN CAT)
BALLADEER 8 1 11 12 11 2 8 (papaprodromou )CEDILLO ABEL 121 20.00 32.50  
  (by DISTORTED HUMOR out of GOLDEN BALLAD by GALILEO (ARG))
THERE GOES HARVARD 1 6 42 4 5 5 9 (mccarthy mi)GUTIERREZ REYLU 121 30.00 19.50  
  (by WILL TAKE CHARGE out of SOUL CRUSADER by FUSAICHI PEGASUS)
 
DMR-10   07/28/2024 4290ft DIRT RC7 FAST Claiming ($40K) Purse ($49K) 3 F PT- 9:38
See original race card.
:214 :451 1:104     1:173   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
NEEZER DALTON 6 4 4 21   12 1 (miyadi stev)AGUILAR ARMANDO 120 6.00 7.40  
12  WE'LL DO IT LIVE 11 2 32 3   22 2 (knapp steve)FREY KYLE 120 8.00 12.60 P
PERFECT IN GRAY 5 1 1 11   33 3 (sadler j)ELLINGWOOD A 120 20.00 14.30  
10  SUPER ENTICING 9 11 12 107   610 410¼ (miller pete)HERRERA A 120 10.00 5.90  
PACE LANE 2 7 54 54   48 512 (miller pete)GUTIERREZ REYLU 120 12.00 18.00  
SMILE BABY SMILE 7 3 2 43   59 613¼ (mathis andy)PEREIRA TIAGO 120 20.00 5% 19.00 26.00  
SATELLITE HEART 3 12 10 9   710½ 715½ (papaprodromou )CEDILLO ABEL 120 10.00 8.80  
ANNA'S WISH 1 9 9 86   811 817¾ (bonde jeff)MALDONADO E 120 3.50 5% 19.00 3.20  
11  PUTT FOR DOUGH 10 8 64 75   911 917¾ (garcia anto)GUTIERREZ MARIO 120 20.00 12.40  
BELLA VIENNA 4 5 7 6   1011½ 1022 (koriner brian)FRESU ANTONIO 120 12.00 19.80  
13  BEAU SOLEIL 12 6 8 11   1112½ 1122¼ (hess b)DESORMEAUX J 120 10.00 5.90  
ROSE OF JERICHO 8 10 11 12   1216½ 1230½ (sherman steve)AYUSO ARMANDO 122 4.50 74% 0.30 10.40  
SCR  DON'T WORRY BOSS               (lewis crai)HERNANDEZ J 120 6.00    
 
DMR-11   07/28/2024 5280ft TURF RC3 FIRM Alw Opt Clm ($20K) Purse ($76K) 3UP M/F PT-10:08
See original race card.
:23 :47 1:111 1:232   1:354   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
MOMENT'S PLEASURE 9 4 21 21 2½ 1½ 1¾ (lewis )BERRIOS ISAAC 118 2.50 37% 1.70 1.90 W
11  WORTHY OF MAGIC 11 1 11 11 1½ 2½ 2¾ (galvin bren)ESCOBEDO ADRIAN 125 15.00 5% 19.00 36.70 P
COURT SNORT 1 6 8 8 8 45 31 (powell leon)RISPOLI UMBERTO 125 3.00 1.40  
DONTMESSWITHTESS 6 11 107 10 10 76 4 (wilensky sam)KIMURA KAZUSHI 123 12.00 7% 13.90 37.70  
RUNAMILEINMYSHOES 2 3 53 64 6 3 5 (mullins je)HERNANDEZ J 118 8.00 4.40  
JESSEBEAR 7 9 96 9 9 9 6 (ordonez aggie)VALDIVIA JR 123 8.00 21.80  
ASHLEYS SANDCASTLE 4 8 74 75 7 8 7 (damato philip)FRESU ANTONIO 123 8.00 20.20  
12  SMART MONIQUE 12 12 118 1110¼ 11 11 86 (dunham daniel)FREY KYLE 123 20.00 27.80  
10  LOVE OUR FAMILY 10 5 6 54 5 5 9 (knapp steve)AGUILAR ARMANDO 123 20.00 87.30  
STRANGE ADDICTION 3 7 42 3 3 6 10 (mclean bill)GUTIERREZ MARIO 123 15.00 67.10  
LADY MARY LOU 8 10 12 1214¼ 1212¼ 1212¼ 1111¾ (campo sta)GONZALEZ SANTIAGO 118 30.00 ######  
SHES JUST FLUFFY 5 2 32 42 4 10 1211¾ (periban jorge)PEREIRA TIAGO 123 12.00 31% 2.20 28.70  
SCR  CAROLE LOMBARD               (damato philip)FRESU ANTONIO 125 8.00    
 

 
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