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The Longshot Hunter!
Fair Grounds
Thursday - December 14, 2023
Simulator Virtual Bet Results
Wgr Pick Tot Bet Bet  Winning Pay    
Type Numbers Tkts Unit Amt  Numbers Amt Profit ROI
FG-1   WIN (4/5/6) 3 $2.00 $6.00  5 $10.00 $4.00 67%
    EXA (4/5/6)-(4/5/6) 6 $1.00 $6.00  5-6 $20.20 $14.20 237%
FG-2   WIN (2/4/5/7) 4 $2.00 $8.00  2 $8.60 $0.60 8%
    DD (4/5/6)-(2/4/5/7) 12 $1.00 $12.00  5-2 $20.10 $8.10 68%
FG-3   PK3 (4/5/6)-(2/4/5/7)-(4/5/9) 36 $0.50 $18.00  5-2-4 $32.20 $14.20 79%
FG-8   WIN (4/9/3/8) 4 $2.00 $8.00  3 $12.60 $4.60 58%
    EXA (4/9/3/8)-(4/9/3/8) 12 $1.00 $12.00  3-4 $14.80 $2.80 23%
FG-9   DD (4/9/3/8)-(5/1/8) 12 $1.00 $12.00  3-5 $16.70 $4.70 39%
FG-10   EXA (4/7)-(4/7/2) 4 $1.00 $4.00  4-2 $5.30 $1.30 33%
    PK3 (4/9/3/8)-(5/1/8)-(4/7) 24 $0.50 $12.00  3-5-4 $20.05 $8.05 67%
Simulator Race results
 
FG-1   12/14/2023 3960ft DIRT RC7 FAST Claiming ($5K) Purse ($15K) 3UP M/F PT- 1:45
See original race card.
:22 :461 :583     1:113   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
5  LOYAL TO THE CHIEF 5 2 1nk 12   15 112¼ (terre d)RODRIGUEZ LUIS 121 2.50 30% 2.30 4.00 W
6  SUM CHARM 6 1 31½ 22   25 212¼ (ney john)RIQUELME J 121 5.00 7% 13.20 5.00 P
2  JUST ANOTHER WIN 2 4 42½ 43½   36½ 312¾ (woodley j)MCMAHON J 121 3.50 4.10  
4  DANAS MULE 4 6 54 33   47 413½ (duhon joseph)NIEVES EMANUEL 119 3.00 34% 1.90 1.60  
3  ROSIE SPRIT 3 5 64½ 67   612½ 522¼ (david b)GREEN AUBRIE 119 5.00 5.30  
1  CONTINENTAL RED 1 3 2nk 54   511 622¾ (richards c)WELLINGTON KYLIE 114 8.00 7.80  
 
FG-2   12/14/2023 3630ft DIRT RC7 FAST Claiming ($7.5K) Purse ($16K) 3UP ALL PT- 2:15
See original race card.
:22 :454 :584     1:054   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
2  BIG SCULLY 2 1 21½ 2nk   12 1hd (wilson)GUERRERO ANDRES 119 5.00 50% 1.00 3.30 W
3  RISKY PRIORITY 3 8 43 32½   22 2hd (thomas )RODRIGUEZ LUIS 121 6.00 19.80  
4  FIELD OF VISION 4 4 53½ 75¾   56 34¾ (courville )MARQUEZ L 121 3.00 14% 6.00 1.30 S
5  ONE TOUGH CHARLIE 5 3 32½ 42¾   34½ 410½ (husak j)GREEN AUBRIE 121 3.50 14% 6.30 5.50  
8  ASTROLOGYSPROTEGE 8 6 74 55¼   78½ 512¾ (thompson kevin)PARKER L 119 6.00 7.20  
1  INTHEALY 1 2 11½ 1nk   45½ 613¾ (schmidt den)GUTIERREZ REYLU 119 4.50 5.00  
7  CUSTOM PRAYER 7 5 64 65¼   68 717¾ (ladner rann)MELANCON G 119 8.00 5% 19.00 27.10  
6  THE THREE KS 6 7 86½ 811¾   812 818 (williams ke)CARMONA SERAFIN 116 15.00 29.30  
 
FG-3   12/14/2023 5280ft TURF RC4 FIRM Maiden Claimer ($30K) Purse ($24K) 3UP M/F PT- 2:45
See original race card.
:25 :493 1:16 1:284   1:413   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
4  IT WASN'T ME 4 3 42 44 42½ 2nk 1½ (handal raymo)TORRES A 121 3.50 37% 1.70 2.20 W
2  SILENT SECRETARY (BRZ) 2 4 31½ 32½ 21½ 1nk 2½ (mcpeek kenneth )COHEN DAVID 121 6.00 7.20  
3  IM SINGLED UP 3 8 53½ 54½ 32½ 3.2 31¼ (castille carrol)MCMAHON J 121 6.00 ★ 9.70 S
6  CAPELLA RED 6 6 74½ 65 64¼ 52¾ 44 (west patricia )GREEN AUBRIE 121 8.00 32.20  
8  TRES CHIC (ARG) 7 7 86 87 74¾ 63¾ 54½ (mcpeek ken)HERNANDEZ J 121 4.50 3.60  
1  TURBO PROP 1 1 1½ 11 11½ 4¾ 67½ (casse mark)CURTIS BEN 121 4.50 2.30  
5  MARMO MOON 5 2 63½ 76 86¾ 76¾ 710½ (zeringue j)MURRAY M 121 6.00 32% 2.10 10.90  
9  WINE IN THE DARK 8 5 2½ 21 54 86¾ 816½ (zeringue w )CARMONA SERAFIN 116 12.00 5% 19.00 17.10  
SCR  IRISH MOLLY               (west henry)WELLINGTON KYLIE 119 12.00    
 
FG-4   12/14/2023 3960ft DIRT RC4 FAST Maiden Claimer ($50K) Purse ($28K) 2 F PT- 3:15
See original race card.
:213 :452 :58     1:114   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
2  PLAY GOOD PAY GOOD 2 2 11½ 1½   12½ 13¼ (rivelli la)LOVEBERRY JARETH 120 4.00 2.10  
4  AZTEC EMPRESS 4 1 21½ 2½   22½ 23¼ (mcpeek kenneth )COHEN DAVID 120 3.50 7% 14.10 1.30 P
5  LADY ABERDEEN 5 3 54½ 55½   46½ 33¼ (walsh brenda)GEROUX FLORENT 120 5.00 10.90  
7  COFFEE CRISP 7 4 43½ 34   36 48 (kenneally )HERNANDEZ J 120 2.50 57% 0.80 2.70  
1  FROST AND FIRE 1 7 33 45½   58½ 512½ (tracy tanner)MCMAHON J 120 6.00 23.70  
3  LOLA'S LIGHT 3 5 66 66½   69½ 615 (hartman chris)NAVAS YOEL 115 8.00 40.50  
6  MAYLEN 6 6 78½ 710½   714 720 (leonard i)PARKER L 120 6.00 14% 6.30 19.00  
 
FG-5   12/14/2023 3630ft TURF RC5 FIRM Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($52K) 3UP M/F PT- 3:45
See original race card.
:214 :463 :582     1:043   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
7  PORT TOWNSEND 7 1 1½ 1nk   14 14 (devaux che)HERNANDEZ J 122 6.00 5.30  
  (by UNCLE MO out of QUIET PLACE by TAPIZAR)
4  TRULY GRATEFUL 4 9 63 73¾   24 24 (stidham michael)CURTIS BEN 122 4.50 14% 6.20 5.10 P
  (by VIOLENCE out of MUCH OBLIGED by KINGMAMBO)
6  CANDY BAR 6 4 73 63¼   55 36¼ (calhoun wil)GUTIERREZ REYLU 122 3.50 11% 8.00 1.80 S
  (by CONSTITUTION out of SUGAR BABE by QUIET AMERICAN)
9  LIFFEY 9 6 84 84¼   86¾ 46¾ (stidham mi)MURRILL MITCHELL 122 6.00 16.00  
  (by CAIRO PRINCE out of VICTRESS by INCLUDE)
1  FIESTA BESTA 1 2 2½ 42¼   75¾ 58 (felks jose)MARQUEZ L 122 15.00 5% 19.00 26.50  
  (by HARD SPUN out of FIESTA by SPEIGHTSTOWN)
2  CLASSIC CLAIRE 2 3 52 52¼   65½ 69¼ (foley greg)MORALES EDGAR 122 6.00 7.30  
  (by MACLEAN'S MUSIC out of CLAIRENATION by BERNSTEIN)
8  FIRST LOVE 8 5 41½ 3.2   34½ 711¼ (amoss m)LANERIE J 122 6.00 4.80  
  (by KANTHAROS out of R D'ORO by MEDAGLIA D'ORO)
5  MYSTIC CREED 5 8 31 2nk   44½ 812 (bourgeois keith)RIQUELME J 122 5.00 52% 0.90 7.90  
  (by JIMMY CREED out of MYSTIC CHARM by WAR PASS)
3  THEMISCHIEVOUSONE 3 7 99½ 911¼   914¾ 920½ (block chri)LOVEBERRY JARETH 122 8.00 27.50  
  (by INTO MISCHIEF out of MADISON MAYHEM by DISTORTED HUMOR)
SCR  ORLOFF               (cox h)GEROUX FLORENT 122 3.00    
  (by STREET BOSS out of GLITTERING JEWEL by BERNARDINI)
 
FG-6   12/14/2023 3960ft DIRT RC5 FAST Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($35K) 2 ALL PT- 4:15
See original race card.
:221 :462 :59     1:12   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
9  CRIMINAL INTENT 9 5 11 1nk   1½ 1¾ (flint steve)MCMAHON J 120 5.00 18.40 DQ↓3
  (by RELOAD out of PHILZANA by PHILANTHROPIST)
4  BARNABY 4 3 52¼ 3½   31 2¾ (amoss thomas )MORALES EDGAR 120 4.00 55% 0.80 2.00 W
  (by TAPITURE out of GIANTS DIVA by GIANT'S CAUSEWAY)
6  RUNAWAY JOKE 6 4 41¼ 2nk   2½ 31¾ (heitzman eric)COHEN DAVID 120 3.50 2.10  
  (by PRACTICAL JOKE out of QUIVERY by VIOLENCE)
1  DEN'S GOOD GRACE 1 8 62¾ 64¼   43½ 43¼ (hartman ch)MURRILL MITCHELL 120 6.00 7% 13.80 4.00  
  (by GOOD SAMARITAN out of THREE GRACES by DONERAILE COURT)
8  KINGSCOTE 8 1 83¾ 54   54 53¾ (balderas )PEDROZA MARCELINO 120 5.00 5.40  
  (by AUDIBLE out of UP AT DAWN by UNCLE MO)
2  PHILANTHROPER 2 6 31 41   64½ 610½ (calhoun wil)GUTIERREZ REYLU 120 5.00 8.80  
  (by GOOD SAMARITAN out of SENSEU'VBEENGONE by STREET SENSE)
7  SHARMA'D 7 7 95¼ 76¼   78½ 716 (silva miguel)TORRES A 120 10.00 7% 13.80 41.50  
  (by TAPWRIT out of HEARTBREAK HILL by GHOSTZAPPER)
3  BLAME DENNIS 3 2 21 88¼   812½ 826¼ (arey anthony)NIEVES EMANUEL 120 20.00 70.10  
  (by COAL FRONT out of SLEWPY'S STAR by STAR PROGRAMMER)
5  FLY'N FRISBEE 5 9 72¾ 99¾   916½ 935½ (arey anthony)MATA U 120 20.00 7% 13.80 59.00  
  (by MAXIMUS MISCHIEF out of MINUTIA by CONCORD POINT)
 
FG-7   12/14/2023 5280ft TURF RC7 FIRM Claiming ($15K) Purse ($24K) 3UP ALL PT- 4:45
See original race card.
:25 :494 1:151 1:272   1:40   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
7  SOUL COAXING 5 1 32½ 31 21 11 14½ (robertson)PEDROZA MARCELINO 121 6.00 4.40  
9  FREEDOM FACTOR 7 6 2½ 11 11 21 24½ (foster josep)NIEVES EMANUEL 121 3.50 22% 3.50 3.10 P
5  HALEYS SAILOR 4 2 54½ 54½ 45½ 34 35¼ (duhon o)GRAHAM J 121 8.00 6.50  
1  SNIVELING 1 4 711½ 710 78½ 67 46½ (govea cesar)GREEN AUBRIE 121 20.00 38.80  
4  MALTHAEL 3 7 68 67 67 56½ 57½ (maker micha)GUTIERREZ REYLU 121 4.00 9% 10.00 2.60  
3  TELEPHONE TALKER 2 3 44 41½ 33 44 67¾ (hernandez arm)HERNANDEZ K 121 3.00 35% 1.90 2.20  
8  MOUNTAIN PINE 6 5 1½ 21 56½ 77½ 714 (borel renay)RIQUELME J 121 10.00 19.70  
SCR  FLEET OF HOOF               (tracy tann)LOVEBERRY JARETH 121 12.00    
SCR  RUSSIAN TANK               (cravens )CASTILLO ALEXANDER 121 8.00    
 
FG-8   12/14/2023 3960ft DIRT RC5 FAST Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($52K) 2 ALL PT- 5:15
See original race card.
:214 :444 :571     1:104   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
3  CRAFTED 3 2 11½ 12½   13 1½ (asmussen stev)MORALES EDGAR 120 4.50 9% 9.90 5.30 W
  (by VINO ROSSO out of STORM RAVEN by BODEMEISTER)
4  TRUST ISSUES 4 7 32 22½   23 2½ (lovell miche)TORRES A 120 3.50 55% 0.80 0.70 P
  (by ENTICED out of INDIAN CEE by INDIAN CHARLIE)
2  B FIFTY TWO 2 6 65½ 57   55 32 (walsh bren)LOVEBERRY JARETH 120 6.00 9.60  
  (by FLATTER out of STORMY B by CHEROKEE RUN)
7  STARSTUDDED AFFAIR 7 1 21½ 34   45 42½ (wilson)GUERRERO ANDRES 120 10.00 42.00  
  (by STAR GUITAR out of KING'S GHOST by GHOSTZAPPER)
5  ROCK N ROLL BOLT 5 5 43½ 44½   33½ 52½ (camejo m)COHEN DAVID 120 12.00 22.70  
  (by BOLT D'ORO out of BLAKELY'S SMILE by WILDCAT HEIR)
1  SABI 1 9 79½ 710   67 64¾ (stidham michael)GRAHAM J 120 6.00 7.70  
  (by INTO MISCHIEF out of JEHOZACAT by TAPIT)
6  VINCITA 6 4 810 810   79½ 76¼ (mcpeek ken)HERNANDEZ J 120 6.00 27.40  
  (by ENTICED out of MISS CANADA by DISTORTED HUMOR)
9  SNOW KING 9 8 910½ 911   811 88¼ (asmussen steven)LANERIE J 120 4.50 9% 9.90 11.70  
  (by TAPIT out of FIFTY FOOT WOMAN by GIANT'S CAUSEWAY)
8  COOKN WIT CATMAN 8 3 53½ 69½   911½ 912½ (catalano wa)GUTIERREZ REYLU 120 8.00 5% 19.00 11.70  
  (by LIAM'S MAP out of MINDFULLY by BERTRANDO)
 
FG-9   12/14/2023 5940ft TURF RC5 FIRM Maiden Sp Wt Purse ($52K) 2 F PT- 5:45
See original race card.
:232 :50 1:142 1:403   1:531   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
5  WAY TO BE MARIE 5 2 43 44 44 1nk 11 (atras rob)GEROUX FLORENT 120 3.50 58% 0.70 1.10 W
  (by NOT THIS TIME out of WOMAN OF THE WORLD by HENRYTHENAVIGATOR)
9  WITHOUT CAUSE 9 5 21 32 22½ 2nk 21 (casse mark)LOVEBERRY JARETH 120 8.00 7.50  
  (by OMAHA BEACH out of WITHHOLD by TIZNOW)
10  RAGTIME LADY 10 8 86½ 87¼ 910 45 33¾ (amoss thomas )MORALES EDGAR 120 10.00 47.50  
  (by MENDELSSOHN out of TRUC'S LOVE by NOT FOR LOVE)
1  CORA'S LEGACY 1 1 11 12 12½ 33 45¾ (wilson)GUERRERO ANDRES 120 10.00 19% 4.30 31.30  
  (by STREET SENSE out of HOLY EMPRESS by GHOSTZAPPER)
7  JOYFUL IMAGE 7 10 1111 1111½ 1112½ 109¾ 56¾ (walsh bre)PEDROZA MARCELINO 120 8.00 16.60  
  (by KITTEN'S JOY out of BO'S IMAGE by TAPIT)
11  PURR FACTOR 11 7 63½ 65½ 67 56 67 (devaux che)HERNANDEZ J 120 6.00 ★ 4.60  
  (by THE FACTOR out of FRESH FELINE by KITTEN'S JOY)
4  NOT TONIGHT JOE 4 4 53½ 54½ 56 88¼ 78 (morley tho)MURRILL MITCHELL 120 20.00 34.90  
  (by NOT THIS TIME out of ARONIA by MUTAKDDIM)
8  STILL TEMPER 8 6 74½ 75¾ 78 78 88¼ (stidham michael)CURTIS BEN 120 10.00 5% 19.00 38.10  
  (by ARROGATE out of BELVEDERA by AWESOME AGAIN)
2  MISS HARMONIC 2 9 97½ 97¼ 89 99¼ 98¼ (forster t)LANERIE J 120 8.00 7.40  
  (by NYQUIST out of SPEED SEEKER by HEATSEEKER (IRE))
3  MS SEDONA 3 11 1010 1011¼ 1012 1112¾ 1013¼ (morley thom)GUTIERREZ REYLU 120 12.00 24.10  
  (by JUSTIFY out of LASEEN by DYLAN THOMAS)
6  TEMPTING LADY 6 3 31½ 22 33½ 67½ 1113¾ (sharp joe)TORRES A 120 4.50 ★ 7.30  
  (by ENTICED out of FANTASTIC GIRL by PIONEEROF THE NILE)
SCR  BROUGHTY FERRY               (amoss thomas )MORALES EDGAR 120 4.00    
  (by AUDIBLE out of PRAIA by DISTORTED HUMOR)
SCR  HAUNTRESS               (casse mark)GUTIERREZ REYLU 120 8.00    
  (by GET STORMY out of VIOLENT LADY by VIOLENCE)
SCR  MS QUALITY CONTROL               (cox h)GEROUX FLORENT 120 4.00    
  (by QUALITY ROAD out of UNKNOWN by UNKNOWN)
 
FG-10   12/14/2023 3960ft DIRT RC10 FAST Allowance Purse ($54K) 3UP M/F PT- 6:15
See original race card.
:22 :454 :58     1:111   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
4  FOURALIVIA 4 3 11 11½   12½ 11½ (david sam)PEDROZA MARCELINO 119 1.80 67% 0.50 0.90 W
2  CAJUN NINJA 2 2 21 31½   22½ 21½ (silva miguel)PARKER L 119 3.00 ★ 1.90 P
1  LOUISIANA LIBERTY 1 6 64¾ 43½   35 35¾ (castille carrol)MELANCON G 119 6.00 5.80  
7  SHES A LUCKY REBEL 7 1 31 21½   45½ 48¼ (wilson)GUERRERO ANDRES 119 8.00 5% 18.30 15.70  
3  HOPEITSMYLUCKYDAY 3 5 54½ 56½   58½ 59¼ (hodges james)NIEVES EMANUEL 119 3.50 12.10  
6  LUMINOUS FLIGHT 6 4 43 67½   68½ 610½ (west henry)MCMAHON J 119 12.00 40.40  
5  SHELLI'S ANGEL 5 7 77¾ 79½   711 712¼ (ladner cha)MURRILL MITCHELL 121 8.00 17.90  
 
FG-11   12/14/2023 5490ft DIRT RC7 FAST Claiming ($5K) Purse ($15K) 3UP ALL PT- 6:45
See original race card.
:24 :473 1:123 1:40   1:442   PP ST C1 C2 C3 STR FIN   M/L W/P B/E F/O
11  ZAICI 9 4 2½ 2½ 1nk 1½ 11½ (wilson)GUERRERO ANDRES 121 6.00 0.80  
12  HOODLUM 10 8 32½ 33 32 33 21½ (stall alber)GUTIERREZ REYLU 121 4.00 48% 1.10 5.50 P
10  CONRADO 8 3 1½ 1½ 2nk 2½ 31½ (vitali mar)LOVEBERRY JARETH 118 6.00 5% 19.00 9.20 S
4  ROOSTER RUN 3 6 65½ 78 67½ 44½ 43¾ (munoz yova)MURRILL MITCHELL 121 5.00 15% 5.80 7.20  
7  ONE MORE BABY 6 2 54 44 44½ 55½ 56¾ (fogarty desm)NIEVES EMANUEL 121 8.00 18.20  
6  BELLA'S GATSBY 5 7 75¾ 67½ 710½ 67½ 612¾ (broberg karl)LANERIE J 121 4.50 10% 8.60 6.60  
2  FATHER PATRICK 1 5 1110¼ 1115 1119¼ 1015½ 716 (alba-he)RODRIGUEZ LUIS 121 20.00 68.50  
3  KEESAWAH 2 1 44 89½ 916¼ 915½ 816¼ (duhon paul)MELANCON G 121 20.00 5% 19.00 74.30  
8  F J'S GEM 7 10 109¼ 99½ 810¾ 710½ 918¾ (govea cesar)NAVAS YOEL 121 15.00 87.10  
5  HEY JACKSON 4 11 86¼ 54½ 55 811½ 1021½ (camejo jos)MARQUEZ L 121 8.00 17.40  
13  VETERAN'S HOLIDAY 11 9 97¼ 1010 1018¼ 1120 1130¾ (govea cesar)GREEN AUBRIE 121 20.00 89.40  
SCR  OVER CALENDARED               (hernandez javie)COHEN DAVID 121 15.00    
SCR  T J MUNNINGS               (hernandez jav)HERNANDEZ K 121 20.00    
 
 
  Labels:
  M/L

Morning Line. This is an indirect measure of the Win Probability of this entry as estimated by the Club Handicapper.
  W/P

Win Probability. This is the centerpiece of our technology that separates Thoroughbred Racing Simulator from other selection services. It is the probability that this entry will win the race, as calculated from the outcomes of simulations of the race. Use this to validate and augment your own handicapping.
  B/E

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  Place/Show Contenders
 

The entries in the second group have a star under their (W/P) column. The Simulator estimates that these entries have generally low chances of winning, although some of them might actually be strong Win contenders but are disqualified from the first group because of their low expected Payout-On-Investment (POI). Whichever the case, these are good Place/Show contenders for exotic bets. Also, these entries may be promoted to replace scratched entries in the first group.
 
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